Originally posted by lotus999:

i think peasantboys and peasantgirls are perfectly made for each other!

btw i wonder is the author peasantgirl or peasantboy or she thinks she is the royal highness?

She gives herself titles such as "Lady", "High Princess". Dawn Yang whoever that is but i take it that she is a celeb in Singapore she calls a "Minor Princess".

 

 I the TS on the other hand am a warlock and a gladiator of the arena serving the alliance to rid Azeroth of the burning legion.

Originally posted by SPLIT SECOND:

I think TS is a rural girl

 Let me try this in point form....

 

• TS = Me but does not = blogger Lady Melissa.
• Me = Boy ... sharp pointy object
• Blogger Lady Melissa = Girl ... carpet .. no sharp pointy object

 

As for the blogger being a rural girl .... here's abit of data i compiled for you from her blog. Again in bullet form to make it easier for you to grasp.

 

• The Lady Melissa was educated at Cheltenham Ladies College and St John's College, Cambridge. She is a member of the global aristocracy and spends her time mostly on another planet.
• ".....Last week, the new Forbes Richest List was published. Although I was heartened to see my family still in the list, it got me thinking of the growing income disparity in Singapore."

http://theladymelissa.blogspot.com/2008/08/ignoble-nobles.html

 

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by Fantagf:

it's usually the arrogant and those that struggle for self esteem that degrade others, and that's what the TS is going about

 

I agree with the above text in blue.

Either that or the TS wants to highlight the issue so those concerned can reflect for themselves.

 

After all the TS wears the tag "Singaporean" and I would be embaressed if that was issue was raised to me by a "Foreigner."

 

 

Originally posted by SPLIT SECOND:

I stay at home now, am i a little boy?...My wife says she like me because i am like little boy.she says thats what make her fall in love with me

 

Wake up your  idea. Different woman have different taste. ok.. i also like women who are like a  little girl and not too serious. If serious woman, Life will be a bore with such a woman, get it?

I don't have an issue with little boys falling in love with little girls bro

 

However if you do have an issue with the blogger's view of "peasant" boys and "peasant" girls do feel free to post a reply in her blog.

 

what a unhealthy culture, what is this peasant/elite/ middle class thing?

 

Alright everybody. Education time. I have been accused of being rude and offensive by calling people peasants. I would like to clarify the difference between a peasant and a Peasant in this post.....

 

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/330351 <--- Click

 

Originally posted by foxwalk:

but on the other hand. there are some truths in this post. i know many girls my age who are getting married…. and they declared they will not cook. they will just buy out or make maggie noodles. some call me auntie when i shop for veggies and stuff in the supermarket. I dun care what they say. They’re idiots in my opinion. there’s nothing wrong in making your own food, may you be traditional or not. if you’re too good to cook, you’re probably not good enough to be eating.

Hi Foxwalk,

 

I am sure some of us can see the truths in the blogger's post. How she expresses it however will surely bring about venom and fire.

 

Kind Regards

 

Genie99

Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:

I wonder what gives the thread starter the right to degrade singaporean guys and singapore ladies. Secondly, I wonder what gives the thread starter the right to segregate/degrade the singapore guys/ladies into so called peasant groups. Thirdly, what gives a person the right to define the guys and ladies from singapore into a single narrow band or over simplified view of society. And also, I wonder what gives a person the right to judge others and criticize their "peasant" mindsets as to how a single person (the thread starter) thinks the sg guys/ladies should be under his/her own judgemental mindsets.

 

I believe the blogger would have responded that she has the "right" to air her views even if they were biased.

 

And finally, for the thread starter, here's a quote from Mother Teresa.

“If you judge people, you have no time to love them.”

I believe the blogger has no love for the caste of Singaporeans she brands "peasants".

 

And a few others that I think is helpful to regain some humility for the thread starter.

 “Judgements prevent us from seeing the good that lies beyond appearances.”

“It is just as cowardly to judge an absent person as it is wicked to strike a defenseless one. Only the ignorant and narrow-minded gossip, for they speak of persons instead of things.”

Yes i do agree she needs humility as it allows you to be heard. No one wants to listen to an arrogant prick rattle off jargon.... even if its gospel.

“We can never judge the lives of others, because each person knows only their own pain and renunciation. It's one thing to feel that you are on the right path, but it's another to think that yours is the only path.”

 

Common mistake of the high and aloof lol

Originally posted by Beautiful951:

Ya, i'm very angry about that as well.

Angry or embaressed?

Lol that made me laugh .... when i look at some of my peers   

The government is worried that Singaporeans are not getting hitched - there are increasing number of singles in Singapore. The government is offering a slew of incentives, and even advice on how to date, how to get married, but I doubt it will work. The problem I think is because these measures target the symptoms and not the cause of the problem; in my opinion, the root of the problem lies in the minds of peasantboys and peasantgirls.

Singaporean peasantboys are one of the most boring members of the adult male species - dating them is often a somniferous experience. Ever notice that the only topic of conversation that excites them, other than their jobs, is National Service? Yes we really want to hear about your days in the army, crawling through mud, or gory tales of training accidents - that really gets our loins burning. The added irony is that despite their macho tales, most peasantboys are mummy's boys - what self-respecting man would continue staying with his parents till the late 20's and even early 30's , letting his mum cook, clean and wash for him? Real women want to date grown up men, not little boys staying at home.

Peasantboys are also wimps - they let peasantgirls walk all over them. They act as their chauffer, their ATM machine and chaperone all rolled into one. Yet, in another ironic twist, they are also male chauvinists, hanging on to anachronistic notions of submissve virginal women who would do as they are told and go off looking for Vietnamese village brides when they don't get what they want here. A message for you peasantboys: most women would love to defer to their men, but strong men who know what they want, who have strength of character. We are not going to submit ourselves to wimpy mummy's boys.

Peasantgirls are not any better - they suffer from the 'I want the cake and eat it syndrome'. Singaporean women want the rights of Western Women and none of the obligations. They also want all the rights of Eastern Women and none of their obligations either.

If you want to be treated as an equal - behave like an equal. Don't expect your man to pay for everything and not even thank them for it. Go dutch sometimes. Take a taxi to the place that you are going to meet your peasantboy and not expect to be driven around like an invalid all the time. If you want to be an equal in marriage, contribute equally to the family accounts - in what world do you think it's fair that you get to spend your husband's money whilst keeping your salary for yourselves?

On the other hand, if you want to be treated like an Eastern Woman, for the husband to take care of you financially, materially, drive you around, do things for you then be prepared to take on the obligations of an Eastern Woman. Go learn how to cook - and not just instant noodels and fried eggs. Learn how to sew. Defer to your husband as the head of the household, and learn how to care for him as the primary caregiver (whilst he is the primary breadwinner).

Neither Western or Eastern Woman is superior; however the Singapore Peasantwoman who wants the best of both worlds is definitely inferior. Make up your mind - choose one or the other. Even Peasantboys wake up one day when they have been screwed over in a bad deal for too long.

So the problem as I see it is that the Peasantboy and the Peasantgirl are fudamentally a bad match, to the extent that they probably hate the sight of each other. Peasantboys complain about Peasantgirls all the time, Peasantgirls whinge about Peasantboys, and neither the twain shall meet.

Therefore, until the mindsets of peasantboys and peasantgirls are changed, no amount of economic incentives or nagging by the government will turn things around.

The illnesses of the peasant are of the mind, and unless it's cured, it's probably better they don't get together and procreate.

 

http://theladymelissa.blogspot.com/2008/08/mismatch-made-in-peasant.html

Originally posted by RedizAlertz:

Jus a thought...

Do u guys think riot/protest can really be effective in Singapore?  I mean, where everything is fully under control of the goverment, to the extend of even having protest also need to register?!?

Probably not .... but then again what else can we do .... sedition act and all that jazz.... make do with what you got i suppose

Originally posted by MohamedF:

This is getting no where... You guys can talk all you want... My job is just to make sure no riot will ever happen in Sg...

The life of the HDB peasant isn't SUBSTANTIALLY SPEAKING, any different from the peasant in feudal china. As long as the powers-that-be keep the economy rolling, the country safe, the sun shall shine, hay shall be made and oxen shall grow fat. They do not care for disorder, nor will they rise up in revolt as long as this status quo is maintained. They will do as they told as long as there are goods to be sold. Freedom of speech, democracy, human rights, and all that jazz are for the bourgeoisie and the petit bourgeoisie, or the intelligentsia, or the chattering champagne socialists. The peasants don't care, nor do they want to care

http://theladymelissa.blogspot.com/2008/08/of-peasants-and-peasants.html

 

Trivia question... peasant?

Originally posted by Genie99a:

My opinion differs from yours.

 

Education gives you a fighting chance to be an elite but in no way is it an easy road nonetheless.

 

I have a very reliable source that makes quite abit of money *peasant* terms with properties alone cause Singapore is a good place to invest for the rich.

 

They would rather invest in Singapore than in Australia because every investment property requires you to pay stamp duty 20-50k AUD (each time you buy a property u pay stamp duty). Also your income for the year scales with your tax rate as the more rental income you gain the higher your tax rate. Of course you can go negative gearing to help reduce that but you still have the stamp duty.

 

In Singapore I don't think you have that stamp duty and if so it pales in comparison. My source is going rampant with District 9,10,11,12 properties and with lucky enbloc sales they make even more.

 

End of the day I think the wage gap in Singapore is going to widen and it'll breed more "elitist princesses".

Abhorent as she may seem to me at first to me we share similar viewpoints on certain things....

http://theladymelissa.blogspot.com/2008/08/ignoble-nobles.html

Singapore's income disparity has been widening in recent years; this is the inexorable consequence of a meritocratic capitalist society. However, unlike in many Western countries, this is happening without the safety net of a welfare state. Even the United States, the paragon of capitalism, has some sort of welfarism, however flawed it may be

Will be reading her blog in my spare time out of curiousity

Originally posted by skythewood:

yup, the problem with Singapore is that  education determines all... 

My opinion differs from yours.

 

Education gives you a fighting chance to be an elite but in no way is it an easy road nonetheless.

 

I have a very reliable source that makes quite abit of money *peasant* terms with properties alone cause Singapore is a good place to invest for the rich.

 

They would rather invest in Singapore than in Australia because every investment property requires you to pay stamp duty 20-50k AUD (each time you buy a property u pay stamp duty). Also your income for the year scales with your tax rate as the more rental income you gain the higher your tax rate. Of course you can go negative gearing to help reduce that but you still have the stamp duty.

 

In Singapore I don't think you have that stamp duty and if so it pales in comparison. My source is going rampant with District 9,10,11,12 properties and with lucky enbloc sales they make even more.

 

End of the day I think the wage gap in Singapore is going to widen and it'll breed more "elitist princesses".

Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:

genie99a, just a question, were you born before 1980 ?

Yes

And we have the ruling party to thank for it I guess.....who now thinks that the tax rates for the high wage earners should be increased? and those of peasants reduced?

Originally posted by Genie99a:

The life of the HDB peasant isn't SUBSTANTIALLY SPEAKING, any different from the peasant in feudal china. As long as the powers-that-be keep the economy rolling, the country safe, the sun shall shine, hay shall be made and oxen shall grow fat. They do not care for disorder, nor will they rise up in revolt as long as this status quo is maintained. They will do as they told as long as there are goods to be sold. Freedom of speech, democracy, human rights, and all that jazz are for the bourgeoisie and the petit bourgeoisie, or the intelligentsia, or the chattering champagne socialists. The peasants don't care, nor do they want to care.

Dear Singaporeans,

 

The view of a Singaporean elitist of you

 

Meritocracy at its finest. It breeds not good social behaviour but repugnant aristocratic idiocy.

 

 

 

 

http://theladymelissa.blogspot.com/2008/08/of-peasants-and-peasants.html

 

Alright everybody. Education time. I have been accused of being rude and offensive by calling people peasants. I would like to clarify the difference between a peasant and a Peasant in this post.

A peasant to me is a member of the mass of people in any society that are the average joes or janes that form the main working community of that society. There are no classless societies; even in communist societies of yesteryear, some were more equal to others. It is my opinion that all societies are still feudal to one extent or another.

In Singapore, we live the lie that there are no classes. Wake up, smell the roses - it is actually lalang grass. It is a myth propagated by the ruling class to subjugate the masses. The HDB dwellers to me, are the peasants of Singapore. Many have no interest in their lives except to keep the roof over their heads, get a mode of transport, and look after their young. That the roof is now an HDB flat rather than a mud hut doesn't make a difference. That the mode of transport is now a Nissan Sunny rather than a water buffalo also doesnt change anything. The life of the HDB peasant isn't SUBSTANTIALLY SPEAKING, any different from the peasant in feudal china. As long as the powers-that-be keep the economy rolling, the country safe, the sun shall shine, hay shall be made and oxen shall grow fat. They do not care for disorder, nor will they rise up in revolt as long as this status quo is maintained. They will do as they told as long as there are goods to be sold. Freedom of speech, democracy, human rights, and all that jazz are for the bourgeoisie and the petit bourgeoisie, or the intelligentsia, or the chattering champagne socialists. The peasants don't care, nor do they want to care.

There is nothing wrong with being a peasant. Many peasants work hard and do well. They get a bigger mud hut, maybe upgrade to an attap hut, get a bigger water buffalo albeit with a 10 year loan. Some do even better and their children become bourgeoisie or intelligentsia. Some even become faux aristocrats - their children become bona fide ones.

But there is a problem with being a Peasant. I hate Peasants.

Peasants have a certain mentality. They think in herds. They follow tabloid news. They worship celebs and call them idols. They believe everything they read and go all ape-shit. They spend hours scouring the internet for proof that a certain individual they do not know, nor is a threat to national security, lied. They hate with a vengeance people they do not know. They love with a passion the same people. They make personal attacks on people on their blogs. Most of all they do not think.

Peasanthood is a state of being - you can emancipate yourself through a hard work, education and a dash of luck.

PEASANTHOOD is a state of mind. It is an illness. Most of the time, it is terminal.

Originally posted by fymk:

The blogger is full of crap anyways. Some people may agree with her post but it is a view from an elitist . She studied at a UK boarding school, bypassing our secondary school system, which is probably exclusive and very expensive. Money allowed her to continue to Cambridge.

If she ever comes back to be part of the ruling party, you guys are pretty much screwed up. Just another Wee Shu Min on the prowl but worse , this girl probably was not educated for a long while in our system to know the system and she chooses to make those scalding remarks without understanding anything.

I'll agree with fymk.

 

The blogger needs to learn humility. It is a skill that allows you to be heard instead of forcefeeding walls of text to the reader.

 

I could not be bothered reading the entire post ... after the first few lines the blogger's arrogant & repulsive attitude was stifling me and I moved out of the cubicle.

 

 

Originally posted by parn:

Trash are referring to people who are not able to survive in Singapore and have no choice but to migrate in hope of doing better elsewhere.

I mentioned "socially convince" which is only meant for trash. So if a person migrates because their friends/environment/society makes them feel rejected, and they are encouraged by these factors to migrate.....then yes, that person is a trash.

Not all Singaporeans who migrated are trash, hence I provided the explaination above.

Your original post did not define your explanation of "trash" and i had made a wrong assumption as you have claimed i do apologize.

I believed you're a guy, cos like the rest of them who flame me because they choose NOT TO UNDERSTAND my post, only proves one point.

Guys...they just don't get it with girls.

 

Lol yer cute ... yes i'm a guy.

 

I did not *choose* to not understand .... I did not understand period lol. You used the word trash loosely and the readers inteprated it wrong. Nobody's fault.

 

Girls..... If only they just came out and said what they want instead of anticipating guys to imagine their needs.  

Originally posted by sgdiehard:

Its your ancestors who left China for singapore, not your descendents.

ever ask your parents why your ancestors left China for Singapore, and not Australia from the very beginning?

Lol i stand corrected .... most embaressing yes i meant ancestors.

 

Yes I have ... cause they were farmers and life was harsh in China back then so they decided to try their luck in Singapore.

Originally posted by Tenebrae:

Twenty years, not a great number of years compared to many, but enough I think to know that life and the world is a miracle. Harsh as it is, like the rugged tundras or the icy polar caps, nothing much can survive there, yet the harshness lends it a sort beauty that cannot thoroughly be described in words alone. We do not all see things the same way, nor are our sensations alike, but have you not stood before a cloudless sky with the moon alight, or the sun aflame with a brilliant crimson as it sets in the east? Have you not laughed with good company and thought nothing else but that moment existed between you and your friends? These are things that life is worth living for, and the world is filled with many opportunities for many of these moments, would you not say that it is something worth fighting for? Regardless of country, or government, our lives are for us to lead not anyone else, how we live it is up to us.

*Sorry for being so preachy, but I thought you ought to be more optimistic*

Whatever you're smoking could you kindly pass it this way please .... I'd like some lol

 

*Joking

Originally posted by Tenebrae:

You've all made it clear to me that we're led by despicable despots, and I won't bother to ask why you haven't revolted because your obvious reply would be that it's impossible. Now...Our standard of living has dropped...I will only ask why, the reply I expect would be, "It's the despotic government's fault", we're being oppressed and the government's corrupt, but you do nothing about it, because again it is impossible, why may I ask? "Because L.K.Y has told us he'd cleave us with his sharp hatchet he carries in his bag, so we cower in silence". It strikes me, that not only is our government dishonourable, but the people's actions have not proven to be very honourable in any way. It's so depressing I'm laughing hysterically here.

I stated before that I woul die for my fellow Singaporean, that includes his family. Will you not die for mine? You say you live for your family, well so do I...so will you not live for mine, and I for your's? You call me naive, but yet you show me no better example. True enough I've been inspired by Braveheart and Gladiator...but these people especially for Braveheart did exist...Braveheart as William Wallace of scotland who is their national hero, and by the way, Scotland gained it's freedom after William Wallace died and then a Scottish king at on the English throne, some time later, joining the two countries. To this day, the scottish do not call themselves "English", but "Scots". Honour, courage exists and it does pay to have them.

We are the citizens of Singapore, and I will be twenty one next year, old enough to vote. Tell me, should I be "realistic" and vote for the PAP then? I am lost, to tell the truth, I have the stories of great men as examples, but no one I can follow. Tell me then, what should I do?

Follow your heart. Is your liege someone deserving for you to "die" for. Highest paid ministers in the world. Is living conditions gradually eroding? *rant* *rant*

 

Core principles are fine.... just need to find a fitting liege maybe? I'm sure you would not lay down your life for perhaps... Adolf Hitler?

 

What should you do?

 

I'm not sure.... I would either vote when the day comes.... or migrate if its a hopeless cause maybe.

 

We'll see

Originally posted by Tenebrae:

What are we but descendents of immigrants? I do not think we should sneer at those who have left, it is not wrong to leave for your own interests. However it would be wrong to then call yourself a Singaporean, they should renounce their Singaporean citizenship, and become the citizen of whatever country they have moved to, and be proud of it, sing it's anthem, be ready to die for that nation that they have called home. Afterall a nation isn't what you see on a map, or the ground beneath your feet. It is an idea, hopes, and dreams of many people to live and progress with each other. If you don't like singapore's idea, and prefer another country's? Leave by all means, but ask yourself why you leave, and how will you answer to your descendents in the future, make sure it isn't "Because I didn't like the weather", what kind of a person would that reflect of you? Unloyal, with no futher interests than your selfish own? Fine...but I cannot see how they would then contribute to their new nation, and why that new nation should accept them. Nation before self, because it should be that you believe in that nation's ideals. I would die for Singapore, because there are singaporeans in it, and I believe they would too for me. 

 

How will I answer to my descendants why I left Singapore?

 

1) The same reason my descendants left China for Singapore back in the days.

 

2) I also feel cheated that my leaders get paid the highest in the world whilst my salary is peanuts was it? NKF anyone?

 

3) Standard of living moving downhill.

 

4) Don't wanna create more rants :) I'm sure you understand.

 

what kind of a person would that reflect of you? Unloyal, with no futher interests than your selfish own?

 

I'd like to think of myself as loyal to my liege provided he doesn't take me as a sucker.

 

After all I'm the infantry of my liege's economy. If his majesty's nation is in crisis (Singapore's living standards going downhill) and he still lives the high life (minister's salary) whilst my family has poorer living conditions. I'll swear allegiance to one that does.

 

Selfish .... yes of course.... but who is selfish here.... my liege or me.... am i just protecting my family's interests?

 

And what about my brothers in arms who continue to fight for my leige? .....Are they dumb? Or blinded by loyalty.

 

This is no Braveheart/Gladiator mate :) This is life .... you live for your family and that unit comes before your country.

 

 

Originally posted by parn:

Yes, the whole concept was to filter out the trash and socially convince them to leave Singapore on their own accord and retain all the capable ones to create a better and safer and smarter society in Singapore for our future generations.

But some of the trash are not smart enough to leave on their own accord, so it is necessary to constantly remind and direct them towards the garbage refusal area.

It's obvious they are not good enough to survive in Singapore, not good enough for Singapore.

 

So those migrating are trash lol. You are so jealous I don't even know where to begin.

 

Try to be subjective instead of chanting "Singapore Singapore" slogans.

 

Singapore should look into the pull factors that result in migration and address them..... if its not realistically possible let the people understand that and point out the qualities of Singapore that competitor nations can't offer. Don't avoid the issue, address it publicly and let the public know the steps taken to improve the current standard of living.

 

That would at least assure the people that the govt knows and cares about their well being and the countries shortcomings.

 

 

Originally posted by jojobeach:

They were pretty good before.. that's why I given my sacred vote to them in the previous election.

But recent years has been very lousy. And the problem is we the people have no recourse.

We cannot sack the incompetend leader/ministers like most countries.. we cannot say no to policies.

Basically, we have no rights anymore.

Do I regret my vote for the PAP ? Yes , Now I do.

I totally agree with sirAdrian and Jojo. I have no issue with CSJ neither do I have an issue with the Lees he did great things before and Singapore has benefitted greatly from his hindsight.

 

However the truth is its not the case anymore.... the shroud of invincibility is no longer there. We no longer can say "don't worry about the state of affairs in Singapore just do what LKY says and we'll be fine." We are NOT fine. People are struggling. Kids have to do well in school and stay mainstream or end up with a bleak future. Foreign talents are competing with your kids should they fail in school for low paying jobs.

 

Medical is costly in Singapore living standards are going down. Fewer families want kids and the list goes on and on.

 

Top it off we don't have an opposition to raise our views. People are afraid to raise their opinion especially if its against the govt in public for fear of backlash. They could well be scaring themselves and for a fact the govt may not be oppressive in that extent but thats the political climate in Singapore right now. A bunch of "yes sir yes sir 3 bags full". or the complete opposite ... bochap not my problem oh and of course the ignorant but lets no go there.