Originally posted by Scania:

C651-GTO-VVVF
C151-GTO Thyristor

thanks. but what's the difference exactly?

i thought it was chopper control since it was from wiki.

Originally posted by ^tamago^:

er, motor, not engine.

oops. sorry. often mistakenly mix the two terms

Originally posted by Call4ljw:

I can't spot any difference. I heard somewhere that the engine sound was different.

But i watched videos of both from YouTube and couldn't spot any difference.

EXTERIOR

1) C651 looks cleaner and whiter. Green-tinted glass windows.

2) For the trip number on the train, C151 - plastic roller and C651 - green flip dot (similar to TIBS bus top display)

3) C151 and C651 have diff. door opening sound.

4) SMRT logo at the sides: C151 mrt logo is about halfway between car edge and door. C651 mrt logo is closer to the car edge. i.e. further away from the door than c151

INTERIOR

1) Look for the number. The 2nd no. for C151 is either 0 or 1. For c651, it's 2 (being 2nd-generation trains).

2) Glass windows. For C651 Siemens trains, it's made in Germany, so the glass is made there too. At the lower corners, you should be able to see the word 'Glastroch' imprinted on the glass. Greenish tint (as mentioned above).

3) Aircon vent. C151 uses aluminium( or some metal?) and it's stained due to ageing. C651 uses PVC (or plastic, I think).

4) For C651 doors, the windows are spaced further apart than in C151 doors.

5) Door handles inside. C151 have door handles screwed onto the door. C651 doesn't have anything screwed on the door. Just an indent for door handle.

6) At the bottom near the door, C651 has black flooring strips. C151 does not.

7) Side glass panels. C151 is flat-top. C651 is triangular at the top, and it extends higher up.

8) Top lights. The C151 has squarish little boxes on the glass cover while C651 looks plain.

9) Seats. At seat edges just before doors, C651 has an additional vertical metal strip (in addition to the bottom horizontal one) which is not found in C151.

10) Metal grab poles. C151 metal poles have round larger bases at the tips not found in C651.

11) Panel for ads: C151 panel is more rounded at the edges (and has more curves and more 'shapely') but C651 is more angular and 'sharp'. Not to mention C651 top ad panels don't 'protrude out' as much as C151.

12) MRT has two glass panels for one window section right? Observe the centre divider of the two panels. C151 has a 'connector' screwed onto the centre divider.  C651 has nothing screwed on; just a clean vertical line separating the two.

ENGINE 

1) C151 - chopper control and C651- GTO. Different sounds. Just take it and listen, especially during acceleration / deceleration.

Originally posted by Stage:

Just a question I'd like to ask. Which train do you guys like/prefer?

Trains involved: C151, C651, C751B, C151 Refurbished

Consider terms like:

Motor sound when accelerating & stopping. (Quietness, sounds nice/soothing)

Interior design (LED displays/colour/chairs/doors)

Exterior design (Eg, run number, doors etc.)

Motor = C751B. Very 'space-age'.

C151 nice when it's got that deep sound as it accelerates along the CBD tracks. I don't like the soft, high-pitch hiss.

Interior = tie btw refurb c151 and c751b

exterior = c751b ftw! but ccl metropolis trains' exterior paintwork / sticker-work also looks nice

Originally posted by digimonfan2008:

1) Am I wrong to be so plump that I occupied 130% of my part of the two-seater? All plump ppl should not sit at all??

2) Why are singaporeans so petty and intolerant of others??

3) Is it time for public bus to increase the width of their seats??

4) I have also seen pix of plump ppl had their pix taken and put on stomp because they (like me) occupied more of their share on the seat. This is so insulting!

 

 

1) 70% of the already small seat is very small. No wonder the other guy's pissed.

2) Why so petty about people's pettiness? Live and let live! :P

3) Increase width yes, but increase leg space first!!! But by how much?

4) Indeed. But heck care them. U stand oso no point. Some kaypoh stomper will say u stand, causing blocked space, already MRT so small, etc. Worry so much for what?

Jurong East Interchange. Passengers who are continuing their journey to CCK, Woodlands, or AMK please proceed to the middle platform.
= Persimpangan Jurong Timur. Para penumpang yang menuju ke CCK, Woodlands, atau AMK, sila bertukar ke platfom tengah.

(En route to JE) This train will be crossing over to the middle track soon. For your own safety, please hold on to the grab poles or hand grips.
= Tren ini akan bertukar ke landasan tengah sebentar lagi. Demi keselamatan anda, sila pegang tiang atau penggengam tangan.(?)

This train terminates at this station. All passengers please alight. Thank you for travelling with SMRT.
= Perkhidmatan tren ini tamat di stesen ini. Semua penumpang diminta turun. Terima kasih atas perjalanan melalui SMRT.

The last train to xx is arriving at Platform x. Please board the train now.
= Tren terakhir ke xx akan tiba di Platfom x. Sila naiki tren sekarang.

We apologize for the sudden braking, this train will resume normal service shortly (I heard this only once, when C651 suddenly braked for no reason... too close to the train ahead, I presume?)
= kami memohon maaf atas hentian mengejut, tren ini akan meneruskan perkhidmatan seperti sediakala sebentar lagi.

 

P.S> Cut the crap about four languages. I prefer it to be only English. It's kinda distracting with too many languages.

I dunno Chinese or Tamil translation, so I just give my humble Malay translation la...
 
Doors are closing: Pintu sedang tutup
Next station, xxx = Stesen berikutnya, xxx
Please mind the platform gap = Sila berhati-hati di ruang platfom

Eating or drinking is not allowing in the trains and stations.
=Dilarang makan atau minum dalam gerabak keretapi dan stesen.

For the comfort of all passengers, please move to the centre of the car.
= Demi keselesaan para penumpang, sila bergerak ke tengah gerabak.

Next Station, outram park interchange. Passengers who are continuing their journey on the north-east line, please alight at the next station.
= Stesen berikutnya, persimpangan outram park (taman outram? lol). Para penumpang yang meneruskan perjalanan melalui Landasan Timur-Laut, sila turun di stesen berikutnya.

Originally posted by Dark Honour:

Thank god they are opening stage 1 in a year’s time. (Mid-2009)

I simply can’t wait to ride the stage 1 line.

Stage 3, not stage 1. Stage 1 (Dhoby Ghaut to Stadium) will open later. 2010 or later. Stage 3 is the one linking Serangoon and Bishan

Second, I am 33 years old and live here with my wife and two children. I consider myself well educated, worldly wise and useful to my employers.

chiu ish think too highly of urself la...the same can be said for many local talents mah....self praise ish no praise.

What am I doing in Singapore, leaving my parents, family, friends and comfort zone back home? Why did I strive to become a Singapore PR, and perhaps a citizen in future?

If india so good, go back there la. ah nehs always like to boast long cock story about how good their country is.

 

Most important, the Government promotes harmonious living and equality for all.

That;s why cannot let too many ah nehs like you stay in HDB. Hire one Indian (like a certain top bank) and much of the top posts go to fellow ah nehs. If you want to stay HDB, you can mingle with local or not ah? Or you bring your one whole village come stay here become Little India? Like that no more 'harmonious' already...

Equality...for all...CITIZENS.

Now, this is my country too. There is no turning back. So why can't I buy a flat directly from the HDB? And although I came as a permanent settler, why treat me like an enemy?

What's ur citizenship??? U FT, go buy condo la... so much money...KNN. Want to stay HDB, go apply for one in Punggol WEST la. No turning back? India is booming my fren, I'm sure you like it there. Fuck off now.

We never treat you as an enemy. Even if you steal our jobs, prevent other non-ahnehs form getting jobs due to your ethnocentric preferences, unable to mingle with non-indians, stare at our women, stink our MRTs, make little india a fucking mess, ignore rules,......

Originally posted by parn:

It doesn't matter if he pcc in front of me or ask me to pcc for him.

But I think it's quite cute and amusing to watch a guy pcc and after I pcc for him.

IT's machiam like he really had a good FUCK.

 

My gf beh song if i pcc myself...so after i give her nice job, i ask her to pcc me to make me climax....haha.

the new south-bound platform for Bishan [NS17 / CC15] opens this sunday 27 july 2008 (sunday). from then onwards, "passengers who are continuing their journey on the circle line, please alight on the left........ Bishan Interchange.....Please mind the gap."

Hi guys,

Anyone interested in an unused Zaraki Kenpachi (BLEACH) costume? I bought one but couldn't really use it, so it's unused after all.

It comes with the black top and bottom with the white vest, plus the 'authentic'-looking slippers too. Price is negotiable (very new condition, and it's not altered in any manner yet)

Interested folks, please PM me. Thanks.

Hi guys,

Anyone interested in an unused Zaraki Kenpachi costume? I bought one but couldn't really use it, so it's unused after all.

It comes with the black top and bottom with the white vest, plus the 'authentic'-looking slippers too. Price is negotiable (very new condition, and it's not altered in any manner yet)

Interested folks, please PM me. Thanks.

Once lost is forever lost. Stop fretting over it. Just enjoy it. Who asked u to go for 'special service'? Massage parlour is just prostitution den in dusguise la.....

And wat so bad abt china woman?

You sure ur gf go overseas never give her virginity away?

 

Originally posted by january:

have you heard of any atheists who complained that atheist people are pressurising them and making their life become very strange.

 

IN atheism, instead of being restriction, you will receive freedom, creativity and responsibility to be part of the world. Just do good in general. The only laws that atheists will ask you to follow strictly is government law and order.. and remembering to pay your taxes. haha

I so agree. No longer is religion about doing good. It's like joining a club; with lots of promised goodies and to feel good about being 'in'. All about showing others how great their crap is and make themselves feel superior (to the point of discrimination)

Originally posted by ChiBet:

I converted to Christianity about 3 years ago but my friends in the church were freaking me out by

1 - telling me to only make friends with other christians of my church and to stay away from my non christian friends

2 - all conversations with this bunch of people involves chrisianity and nothing else. I mean its normal to talk about christianity within a christian group but to have months and months of conversations only about christianity/church activity is not normal. Some were my coursemates and they never spoke to me about anything else except christianity/church matters - even when we were at school

3 - once they found out I listen to the radio, their response was why I listen to worldly songs??? they expect christians to only listen to christians songs???

4 - they keep asking me to do 'surveys' and collect alot of my personal data then one day they told me that GOD had told them his plan for me and proceed to tell me of their/"HIS" plan for my life. they actually plan out my whole life???

Is this normal or had I join a cult?

My church is somewhere along Orchard Road. Does anyone have any similar experience?

1 - absolute bullshit. fearing the non-believers would tarnish their minds. If their faith is THAT strong, no non-believer could weaken their faith. but, i've seen it happen. these ppl 'befriend' those who go to church while ppl like me who won't "sink into the deep water" will be ignored.

2. yes, had heard it too. So annoying when these people thank God for everything from sunny days to a good dinner at home. e.g. "Thank God for the dinner", but then, how about thanking the person who cooked dinner??? Always praising some unseen entity when the person doing the (good) deed goes unnoticed and unappreciated.

By the way, TS, if they are truly ur friends, certainly they could speak more intelligible stuff and of various topics with you rather than those God mumbo-jumbo so u "won't forget" ur faith. Sometimes, these "friends" only speak to u come church-related activities, and speak only about God and his "wonderfulness". Of course with their closer pals they speak more intelligible stuff.

3 - how about blatantly listening christian songs in front of a non-believer?

4 - Who plans out? The head priest or something? Tell him to f*** off. Maybe GOD has plans for you but that's for you to discover. In plain Singlish, don't expect GOD telling you what to do or rather, there's NO GOD telling you what to do. Up to you to perceive.

5 - In conclusion, this is total CRAP. Sooner or later, you'll part with ur money and sanity. You'll b stuck there, unable to leave, fearing the 'consequences' brainwashed into you.

LEAVE NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

You r the master of your own fate. Don't let others tell you, even in the name of God.

Originally posted by purpledragon84:

to both kench-an and Atobe,

you dun even have to rationalise with him.. there is NO justification for rape.. EVER.. period.

u wana say robbery, theft, murder, maybe got reason.. rape? NEVER.. any person who is capable of raping another person should never see daylight again..

agreed.

theft = people need to eat. matter of life and death.

murder = beh song. maybe kena offended kaw-kaw. matter of pride. or to save ur own life. matter of life and death

rape = ??? i dun recall orgasm being a matter of life and death.

While Singaporeans have a problem with PRCs, at least the most they do is pee inside MRT, talk rudely and steal jobs and husbands.

Malaysians have to deal with Indonesian immigrants like Singaporeans with PRCs. And boy, do they make themselves very 'visible' in Malaysia. Committing robberies, rape and murder.

Since TS topic is about RAPE, let me say this: A lot of rape cases involve Chinese victim and (sadly) non-Chinese rapists. Quite a number is due to these Indons. For example, how come so many rape cases are reported in Chinese papers but not in Utusan Melayu / Malaysia or Berita Harian? Why even The Star and New Straits Times cover up? Scared Chinese backlash la....Ever wondered that maybe they haven't truly let go of their anti-Chinese grudge after a decade?

Chinese Singaporeans donate so much for the tsunami aid....but sorry to be politically incorrect, but I don't fancy keeping some of these crapsters alive. More so, ingrateful people who eventually cause trouble to the Chinese. Do you know that months after the tsunami, piracy rate along pirate-infested Straits of Malacca fell to ZERO? And people still donate to keep that "cute" Indon baby alive. He might just grow into a terrorist-cum-suicide bomber, go rape a Chinese girl in future, should relations turn bad, thanks to your monies for feeding him. Or worse, come to Singapore to commit crimes (given SPF slackness).

When some Indon cleric said it's a punishment from God, I agreed wholeheartedly. Not bcos of letting kafirs (infidels = non-Muslims) come in, but more for the sins in 1998. To loot the shops deserves public execution but mass xenophobic rape? Gas chambers won't do enough justice.

To sum it up, they are anti-Chinese with their 'ethnic cleansing'. And to think the Chinese actually help them when there's shit? Think about it, there seems to be more natural disasters in the years after 1998.

Originally posted by sebosebo:

i think the Chinese in Indonesia deserve it, hogging the country's wealth to themselves.

We should rape some ang moh FTs too

Are you a Chinese? Ya, some Chinese Indon are pretty, but no one deserves to be raped. Hogging the country's wealth? Hello, if you breed like rabbits, dun give a fuck about their education, let them wander out of school, have premarital sex and repeat the whole story, of course how to be rich??? How to even get a decent job to accumulate money to start a business? Semua kasi anak makan...all down the kids' mouth.

Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:

i doubt they'll change, even now its pretty obvious their mindset haven't change........

you come to JB, you travel to some parts of Malaysia filled with Indons, then u know. Uncivilised and uncouth. That's how u differentiate the Malays and Indonesians in Johor. Indons there are the uneducated and uncivilised type, so they look more barbaric. These are the very people committing crimes in Malaysia. Why Johor got so many rape cases? Thanks to these pai kia.

Originally posted by purpledragon84:

in fact i duno read from where, that a chinese volunteer counsellor who gives guidance to rape victims there was herself raped.. very depressing..

Yup, i recall reading that too.

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Stampede Ruffles was an angmoh (Caucasian) trader who happens to be an average salaryman in some bank in some white country. Life sucks because the oil prices was being jacked up daily and the crimewave from the nearby ghetto is getting worrisome. With the opening of Sueyz Canal, direct sea travel to the East was made possible. In case you are wondering, airplanes exist only for the rich and priviledged, something with Mr. Ruffles can ill-afford.

One day, the East Indian Conglomerate (Oost-Indische Compagnie) decided to relocate the entire bank to the Middle Kingdom in the Far East. Ruffles had never heard of such a country. The entire staff protested against the management's decision but to no avail. The bank relocated to capitalize on the Middle Kingdom's perceived growing financial and economic clout. According to experts, Middle Kingdom is set to grow at double digit rates and will rival the West in economic terms, by extrapolating its growth in recent years. Funny how these experts in extrapolation failed to extrapolate the oil price going past 100 francs, given all the indications.

Too bad for Mr Ruffles as he returned home with a pink slip. He wondered why did the buck-toothed, near-sighted, tiny (yes, tiny everywhere...) gooks get the jobs. Aren't they supposed to be the "White Man's Burden"? Mr Ruffles was displeased, but at least he got a decent Voluntary Separation Scheme (VSS - severance package) but most of the staff (who are forced to work on contractual-basis, therefore not eligible for any welfare or VSS) got nil.

He decided to go backpacking around the world to "learn more about the 'people' that populate the world". But he blew his VSS money on a night of binge drinking with the entire bank staff in a pub to drink away their sorrows. So, before his bank shuts down, he borrowed some money. Not having any thing to mortgage, he had to resort to subprime lending, and bankrupted the bank inadvertently before the bank could relocate (since he couldn't repay).

Now, the time is nigh for Stampede Ruffles to flee. Flee from creditors whose pay is dependent on how successful in nabbing Ruffles. He got onto a steamship headed to a random location in the East. However, due to some incidents involving two hijacked steamships being forced to slam into Tames Bridge, security is so tight that Swiss Army knives and liquid bottles were not allowed. Somehow he sneaked in and became a stowaway. There, he grabbed an empty seat and whiled the hours away watching a B-grade flick called Kehidupan Seorang Pramugara Yang Terlampau, a Malayan blockbuster.

Soon the ships reached the island of Sinkapore. Mr Ruffles couldn't even afford a Swiss army knife for defence against the head-hunters, let alone a full life insurance scheme. He was gripped with fear.

Upon reaching Sinkapore, he was shocked to see some heads perched atop a pedestal. Headhunters!!!!, or so Ruffles thought. In reality, these used to be attached to punks who were vandalizing state property because they were pissed at the government systematically discriminating them. In reality, they chose to drop out because they were bored of schools, feeling rebellious and wind up with kids at 16, hence are unable to lift their living standards. Apparently the effete Sinking Police Force failed to take care of this (they can't even locate a short, limping guy on the loose) and the ever-efficient Kempeitai took care of these rebels with their honourable and noble samurai swords, keeping the streets safe. Ruffles knows he is in safe hands.

Ruffles decides to set up a little kopitiam (coffee shop) selling Western food to make a living. Like the Orientals who set up Chinese restaurants and Chinatowns everywhere they go, even if there are only two of them. The little business soon took off, as everyone came over to see the ang moh, never mind if the food is pricey. "The cook's a Westerner; henceforth the food is good" "Western concept is always better than our concept" "Foreign talent; we must learn and change our ways" were some of the comments that he has received. Any brickbat would be deemed as racist and the Kempeitai would be called in to slap the recalcitrant bloke.

Business soon grew, but over the period of month, the Straits Government wanted to re-develop the place. En-bloc sale, then the whole place is gone. General Lee needed to built a night horse-cart racetrack for the prestigious Formulae One, but the shoplots were in the way. Besides the Government has a strong urge to build Circle Underground Line, which is blocked by these shops. Some of the shopkeepers protested but were quickly hosed down by the Riot Police in Red Cars. Of course, no media personnel is allowed to be there.

Ah Tiong said, " We don't want our shops to be taken away". Kaninasamy reasoned, "It is illegal and we did not assent to this en-bloc sale". Lim Peh and Lau Pek echoed their sentiments, showing their valid contracts as proof. General Lee did not take heed. All he did was ignore them.

Ruffles went over and said "We don't want our shops to be taken away; it is illegal and we did not assent to this en-bloc sale" (Note: observe the similar word usage). General Lee was awed by the towering Caucasian's intelligence and he listened to him. They sat and discussed this issue. Soon, General Lee halted the demolition of the shoplots. However, a change of heart meant only Ruffles's shop is spared; the locally-owned shops would have to go. Ruffles's shop, by virtue of being run by a foreigner, is better in every sense and has more 'class', since a foreigner tends to be 'smarter' anyway. "This is meritocracy!" General Lee argued.

Soon, it is time for Ruffles to get hitched. Getting partners was never a problem for Ruffles, who has girls lining up to date him. After all, he's the man. He's different from the lame, ugly, un-macho Chinaman anyway. A Chinaman is too gentle and shy, traits taught by their moms in order to be 'good men'; never mind that these ladies eventually decide to join the queue to date Mr Ruffles. After all, Mr Ruffles is always better than a Chinaman in every aspect, claims the girls. Gentle Mr Ruffles = well-liked gentleman but gentle Chinaman = despised sissy? Ruffles doesn't understand the double standards but he enjoys the attention. For once, he never needed to bother about his looks, care for his weight, etc...; a fat and balding Ruffles is still the man.

Mr Ruffles meets a girl called Shilpa who happens to be a young undergraduate. Shilpa's prowess in Math astounds Ruffles, since he never paid a single damn attention to Math class. French is a language that can't count so Ruffles's math is crap. They started to go out, and things looked rosy. Until one day....

They were making out in the underground train, when suddenly she stopped. "Why did you stop?" he asked. "Please pay up your incurred cost of £695.50, which is £130-an-hour, for five hours, inclusive of 7% GST. Ruffles was flabbergasted, but he had to pay before he could proceed to second base. Never had he met such a calculative woman before, but hey, she is a Mathematics undergraduate. He never expected to pay so much, simply because he looks like a foreigner ready to be fleeced.

And so, Ruffles did NOT live happily ever after... he decided to return to his home country since he has worked so hard but he realised his money is all locked in the Central Piggybank Fund (CPF), which means he would end up working menial jobs when he gets older. Money can be withdrawn if you're lucky enough to live to a minimum age before the goalposts get shifted further. He couldn't envision working under the "White Man's Burden" so he left. And Ruffles left, leaving a colorful footprint in the annals of His-Story.

The End.

Koreans hard at work doing the 095/096 MLU.

101/102 in the midst of MLU. All the interior and stuff have been removed, leaving only the aluminium body

107/108 in battered shape. Observe the red line stickers are ripping apart

Look closely at the interior of the train. New grabpoles... (somewhere in the right of this pic)

Originally posted by Manager433:

TS, ur title very misleading. U the CEO of SMRT huh? Suka suka say Siemens trains due for MLU in 2010. Wait u kena slap left right up down then u know.

Unfortunately, I think Manager 433 is right. I asked the guy in charge of rolling stock on Fri when the C651 will kena refurbish, but he said "maybe in the next 5 yrs, depending on management". From their words, I guess they have NO plans for refurbishment for now?

Or maybe they don't want to say out too much until it's confirmed? OK, insiders pls help me check out on this.

By the way, the guy at the 'machine shop' says C151 MLU is hopefully done by end of Sept 08 at the rate of one train per 7-10 days. "The Koreans are working hard..."

 

Will update on a new thread with lots of new info and some (half decent) pics

YCK to Toa Payoh - Nov 87

from Toa Payoh down all the way to CBD - Dec 87

Announcements first made their way as early as 1994, ending a period of time when train operators themselves announced station names.

Think I saw 101/102 being refurbished as of today. Saw the Korean workers dismantling the trainset and doing metal works in the workshop. NOT TOO SURE SO PLS HELP ME CONFIRM

Saw 107/108 coming back to the Bishan depot today. Looks totally battered. Will try to upload pics on another post. Could see the red line on the body coming off, as though it just went through war zone.